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    October 03, 2008

    Roger Ebert on Sarah Palin

    Posted by: Chris

    Sarah_palin_wink Leave it to a movie critic, quoting an 18th century Englishman, to nail it exactly:

    [It was] like a dog's standing on its hind legs. It is not done well, but one is surprised to find it done at all.

    (H/t: Andrew Sullivan)


    UPDATE: In case you missed it, check out this bit of political humor. (Try treating it like a political cartoon, Palin fans, and not a literal viewpoint).

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    1. dkeeler on Oct 3, 2008 6:44:07 PM:

      "[It was] like a dog's standing on its hind legs. It is not done well, but one is surprised to find it done at all." CCrain

      The quote seems to sum up 'gay' marriage quite well too. For centuries homosexuality has been a closeted, shame-filled affair, and still is to some degree, depending on who you are talking too. Yet, today, because of a powerful, well-financed lobby, one is being asked to deny the truth, divinely written on our hearts, for a tragic deception.

      It would seem that by demanding "WE" say the homosexual is living an 'alternative' lifestyle and confirm it by giving the ole nod to marriage, somehow he will find the inner peace, self-acceptance, and quieting of his insatiable demand for love and reassurance, satisfied.

      Govenor Palin has made herself clear. She lives her life, as well as any Christian can, according to Biblical principles. If she started selling her soul for thirty pieces of silver by redefining God's his definition of marriage as reserved for one man, for one woman for life, she would promptly blend into the Pharisee-filled landscape already out there.


      Living outside of God's will has consequences. Can't outrun the truth eventually it will catch up.

    1. Joseph Kowalski on Oct 3, 2008 7:02:24 PM:

      Only in the United States where political discourse has been reduced to some kind of home spun caricature would Sarah Palin's performance in this debate be considered even passable.

      She flat out stated she had no intention of actually answering the questions put to her and she didn't. Instead of straightforward answers, she regurgitated scripted attack lines, one liners and outright lies.

      I never thought I'd live to see another major American politician who performs worse than G.W. Bush when asked questions in a public forum, but Sarah Palin has managed to lower the bar even further.

      Her blatant use of sexuality and cuteness to cover her lack of knowledge on major issues facing this nation is appalling and embarrassing. What must he rest of the world think of the American people who have allowed their political system to devolve into a comedy skit?

    1. torrentprime on Oct 3, 2008 7:59:28 PM:

      Fortunately, dkeeler, we don't live in society where God's laws (or whatever the current shaman-in-chief says they are) control the rest of us (thank Jesus).
      Amazing how many Americans don't get this.

    1. Allan on Oct 4, 2008 2:28:19 AM:

      Thanks for stopping by dkeeler, we fags always enjoy watching Christians make asses of themselves.

      Can I have your home address so I can come over to your house and take a huge stinking crap on your living room floor? After all, turnabout is fair play.

    1. GMichael on Oct 4, 2008 1:22:28 PM:

      We've heard all the talking points on her little index cards before.

      What happened to straight talk? That was clearly gone by her telling the moderator I'm not going to answer the questions you want me to.

    1. dkeeler on Oct 4, 2008 2:46:46 PM:

      Allan:

      Thank you so much for your thoughtful remarks. It has been a blessing the last couple of years that I have been able to follow Chris' blog, and before that his editorials in the Blade.
      Though we don't always agree, I respect our differences and have learned tons from him about politics, an area that leaves me indifferent.
      I find it more interesting to see how others see the world. To continually surrond myself w/ people who see things as I do is only fine for a time.
      I have come close to being quieted on this blog, but so far my opinion, and that is all it is after all, has been given voice here by Chris. I respect him for that.
      You are right, I frequent a world of homosexuals who are pursuing healing. Why you don't want to do the same baffles me....but when I really feel annoyed w/ someone, I pray for them and ask that they receive all I want for myself. It makes me feel better. Just a thought

    1. Charlie on Oct 4, 2008 4:00:42 PM:

      The quote seems to sum up 'gay' marriage quite well too. For centuries homosexuality has been a closeted, shame-filled affair, and still is to some degree, depending on who you are talking too. Yet, today, because of a powerful, well-financed lobby, one is being asked to deny the truth, divinely written on our hearts, for a tragic deception.

      Dkeeler: I really don't follow your comment at all. Just in this paragraph you mention a "truth" but don't say what that truth is, as if it truly is so universally accepted that it need not be defined. Initially I had no idea what you were talking about but as I read your final paragraph I deduced (perhaps incorrectly?) that you are referring to the truth in the definition of marriage as being one man and one woman.

      From a religious perspective, that is simply indisputable. These are the laws handed down by your God and to try to change them would be wrong.

      From a legal perspective, we're looking at something else entirely. While we can use religious morality as a guideline for our laws, we can not base our laws on the rules set forth by any one religion and still have freedom of religion in this country. We can not base our laws on ALL religions because that would be impossible.

      Heterosexual couples, whether they are married in the church of their choosing, or in a quickie city hall wedding, are granted over a thousand federal privileges as a result of entering into this union, regardless of whether they actually care for each other or intend to procreate. If marriage was truly an exclusively religious ceremony, then homosexuals would have no basis to demand equal rights, but it is not. It is a legal status that is being granted to one group of people and currently denied, mostly, to another.

      It is possible to offer legal marriage to gays without sullying religious marriage, which will remain only between a man and a woman for all faiths that feel this is appropriate.

      The only way we can constitutionally justify denying homosexuals this equal opportunity is to revoke all rights and privileges afforded by the federal and state and local governments to married couples, and leave it as a purely religious sacrament. For example, I get no special rights for having been baptised Catholic, or for having been confirmed as one, so it follows that religious rites can be kept separate from legal rights. Yet marriage is considered an exception for some reason.

    1. Allan on Oct 5, 2008 1:07:15 AM:

      Don't waste your time praying on my behalf, dkeeler. The self-centeredness of praying for God to "ask that they receive all I want for myself" ensures that God won't answer your prayers. When you pray to God to ask that others receive all they want for THEMselves, God will answer.

      If you want to pray for someone, try praying for God to heal the diseased heterosexuals who build and maintain a world so hostile to LGBT people that some LGBT people become convinced they need to be "healed" of their God-given queerness.

    1. dkeeler on Oct 5, 2008 9:48:58 AM:

      Charlie:

      Thank you for your response. It was well thought out. I can see we are going to have a hard time agreeing as the basics are different.
      The truth you asked about is: Marriage is an institution created by God in the Bible as a plan for right living between one man and one woman. Because we live in society the legal system has stepped in. But Marriage is not nor will it ever be successfully other than one man for one woman for life.
      Society has misjudged alcoholics for centuries thinking it a moral problem. It isn't a moral problem. It is a symptom of an underlying spiritual dis-ease. (personal experience)
      Similarly with homosexuality. For centuries homosexuals have been condemned for the outward expression(same sex sex and coupling)of an inner spiritual dis-ease.
      Once the underlying cause is addressed and healed, in other words the person straightens out spiritually, the outward manifestation---identified by society as the problem---resolves, in other words the alcoholic lives w/o drinking, the homosexual no longer seeks same sex sex---

      So it goes that homosexual marriage, no matter if it is legaized around the world, will never stick, it isn't quite simply in God's plan. Ignore God and run your own show if you will, but from my very own experience the results are catastrophic when the piper comes to call

    1. dkeeler on Oct 5, 2008 9:53:17 AM:

      Alan:

      You are exactly right Alan, people have been horrible to homosexuals throughout history, stupid, because they don't understand it. WHat people don't understand they are frightened of..
      Alan, the God that I know and serve did not Give you homosexuality and then condemn you for it. He loves you.

    1. Strict Scrutiny on Oct 5, 2008 11:12:11 AM:

      Dkeeler:

      First, I agree with everything Charlie said.

      one is being asked to deny the truth, divinely written on our hearts, for a tragic deception.

      The problem here is that you are so supremely arrogant as to think that "your" God has written any spiritual truth on my heart.

      You come here, to a gay oriented blog, and proceed to tell readers the unprovable "truth" about how they should live their lives?! How fucking dare you. I have my own relationship with God and ya know what? He is just fine with me being gay. Frankly, he's got bigger things to worry about than who I have sex with.

      It's me, actually, that feels sorry for you. It has been my experience that people like you have sad, unfulfilled, and empty lives. So you turn to religious devotion to obtain a sense of worth, but it doesn't really work. And it drives you crazy. So you target gay people for "conversion" -- hey, if you're miserable, why not make them miserable too?

      people have been horrible to homosexuals throughout history, stupid, because they don't understand it.

      Ever think that people like you contribute to the suffering of gay people? Ever occur to you at gay teenagers commit suicide because people like you tell them that they can be "cured," when in fact they can't? That really is despicable.

      The real truth is that "gay" is just part of the human condition -- a variable trait in the gene pool like any other. Some people have blue eyes instead of brown. Some people have freckles, while others don't. Any a very small percentage of people are gay, while most are not. THAT is the truth.

      Your faith in the Bible is misplaced. The Bible was written by men, not God, and it does not reflect God's vision for humanity. Sorry to burst you bubble.



    1. Charlie on Oct 5, 2008 1:15:26 PM:

      Society has misjudged alcoholics for centuries thinking it a moral problem. It isn't a moral problem. It is a symptom of an underlying spiritual dis-ease. (personal experience)
      Similarly with homosexuality. For centuries homosexuals have been condemned for the outward expression(same sex sex and coupling)of an inner spiritual dis-ease.

      Dkeeler, it's not only thoughtless to equate gays to alcoholics, it also demonstrates a lack of empathy and a disturbing swath of pride (which, I believe, is the worst of the seven deadly sins.)

      First, the alcohol analogy. I've heard this before and it's just so ridiculous. An alcoholic is created entirely by circumstance and choice. An alcoholic doesn't start seeing signs in himself, things he may not quite yet understand, at early childhood. Almost any gay person you ask will tell you that he knew SOMETHING was up well before he hit puberty, even if he didn't know what it was, even if he didn't end up coming out until much later.

      Alcohol is a drug. (Actually, more specifically, it's a poison.) We choose to drink it because it makes us feel good, uninhibited, etc., and some of us get attached to that feeling and allow the drug to dominate our lives. These are the alcoholics you speak of. Gay attraction is not a drug. As a kid, it is a scary, destabilizing experience that I can't imagine ANYONE would choose. It does not promise social acceptance or social lubrication the way alcohol does, and in fact, promises the opposite, social isolation. I mean, please, really think about this, why would any kid choose to be gay if he could just be straight?

      While I'm on this subject, I'd like you to think about your relationship to alcohol. I am guessing that you have had problems with it, by your comments. So think about it. How it made you feel when you started drinking, and how it made you feel over the course of your battles with it. Now think about a woman you have loved, how she made you feel. Is it the same emotion, your feelings for the bottle or your feelings for a woman? I would imagine one feels like a spiritual disease and the other feels like God's grace coursing through you. How you feel if someone suggested your feelings for this woman were just more spiritual disease? It would probably make you angry. Well, that's why gay people react to your comments so vehemently. You equate our love to disease, and our love is not disease, it is love, it is the same as God's love, it was given to us by God, and we know that even if you refuse to open your heart to that possibility.

      It is only the place of God to know His plan. Isn't that what we're supposed to believe? If you are not God, I reject your authority to tell me His plan, and suggest you look at the pride in you that thinks you're high and mighty enough to guess what His plan is.

    1. Gee on Oct 6, 2008 5:53:50 PM:

      dkeeler,

      Your religous beliefs are just that - beliefs. Just like muslims have their beliefs, buddists have theirs and hindus and agnostics have their own beliefs.

      You have the right to believe that the bible - a text written thousands of years ago and which reflects human knowledge at the time - is literally true.

      Many statments in the bible have been disproven by science and human knowledge over the years. Unfortunatley some non-thinkers miss the fact that the bible is full of metaphors and cannot be literally true.

      I live in a democracy - not a theocracy like in Iran. Gay rights are CIVIL rights. If the religious fundamentalists [Islamic or Christian] continue to force their literal interpretation of the bible or Koran on the rest of us there will be a backlash.

    1. Hawyer on Oct 6, 2008 10:08:37 PM:

      dkeeler - dearest ...

      What on earth are you doing frequenting a homo blog unless you have powerful gay longings. Get real bro ... and give in to your identity. Many of us homos have a long history of self-denial and come from families of intense homophobia. It's OK dude. I'd be the first to give you a long hug and welcome you to the fold.

    1. SeaMex on Oct 14, 2008 8:27:18 PM:

      I think someone should have told Senator McCain which end of the pig the lipstick goes on!

    1. Jeff Fries on Feb 20, 2009 1:17:54 PM:

      What's up guys, long time reader not a queer, but I thought I should add that the quote above is one of Ebert's stock phrases and has has been used about a hundred times in his reviews, essays, interviews, and responses to reader mail. Maybe after all these years it turns out was her lucky gwarter after all, maybe he is entering Alzheimers, in any case just thought I'd raise awareness. If this was already mentioned I apologize, I sorta hurried past the comments.

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