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    October 23, 2008

    Feinstein and Prop 8

    Posted by: Andoni

    Prop_8As an indication of how outmatched people who oppose California's Prop 8 are (our side), when I did a Google search for images on Prop 8 to accompany this post, the first five to pop up -- and an overall large majority of the images, were vote YES on Prop 8 images. Not a good sign.Vote YES on Prop 8 would overturn the CA Supreme Court decision that legalized same sex marriage. Vote NO would preserve same sex marriage in CA.

    Joel makes a good point in the second comment of my previous post about the Harvard Club seemingly hiding their photo of George W. Bush. He thinks that there are more serious issues we should be discussing on this blog. He is correct, although "all serious all the time" is not is not my style.

    So here goes again. The battle for marriage equality in California is our Battle of Normandy. We have established a beach head in the most populous state in the union. If we can hold it, freedom (to marry, to live without discrimination, to be left alone, etc.) will continue its march, and soon the whole continent will be liberated (from the tyranny of anti gay laws). The "Nazi" goal is to keep the tyranny. They want us off the beach head, and out to sea. If they succeed, our cause is thrown back 10 to 30 years. They are fighting as if their lives (and way of life) depended on it. We are not. We have been outspent in this battle two to one. Even the LGBT residents of California are lax. By one report I read, fewer than 2% of the LGBT population in California has contributed to the anti-Prop 8 campaign. This is shameful.

    This thing can still be salvaged, but it is going to take money.....lots of it because the Mormon Church has poured up to $20 million into passing Prop 8 and ending marriage equality. I have given multiple times, and here is where you can give too. Every little bit helps, even if you can only afford $10, please give now. If you need more info on why this is important you can read this by Matt Coles, director of the ACLU LGBT Project.

    Furthermore, if you have contacts with any high ranking CA state officials, urge them to speak out against Prop 8. Last weekend at my ACLU meeting in NYC, I asked a fellow board member Robert who happens to live next door to Senator Diane Feinstein to ask her to come out against Prop 8. He was surprised to learn that she hadn't and promised he would speak to her. I don't know if it was Robert's actions or a combination of actions, but yesterday Andrew Sullivan reported  that something is in the works with Feinstein.

    Now we need to work on Arnold. He said he would oppose Prop 8 early on, but to date has not done anything. We need to hold him to his word. If anyone has contacts with Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger, now is the time to make that call.

    This is a turning point in history for LGBT rights. Are you doing all that you can do?



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    1. Strict Scrutiny on Oct 23, 2008 10:40:18 AM:


      Thank you for this post -- I had been hoping you or Chris would do this.

      I agree with everything you've said 110%. The Prop 8 situation here in CA is dire. The YES people have more money, better organization, and are far more committed to their cause than the NO people. If Prop 8 passes, it will be the death knell for same-sex marriage in California -- and right now, it looks like that is exactly what's going to happen.

      Sen. Dianne Feinstein, the former mayor of San Francisco, has been completely silent on this issue, which is shameful. Barbara Boxer, our other Senator, who is from the very liberal California bay area, has also been silent. Shameful. But perhaps the most shameful and troubling is that only 3% of the GLBT community here in CA have ponied up to help. I am at a loss to explain this.

      Making matters worse, the YES on 8 ads have been very effective in spreading lies. For instance, the YES ads state that unless Prop 8 passes, gay marriage will be taught in schools and churches will be forced to peform gay marriages, both of which are bullshit. Unfortunately, the NO campaign has mounted only a weak and tepid campaign which has not effectively refuted these lies. As a result, people believe the lies.

      If we're going to salvage this, we'll need more money and manpower. Please give time or money or both, if you can.

      Visit: www.noonprop8.com

    1. Allan on Oct 23, 2008 12:47:22 PM:

      I have reached out to two of Arnold's top political consultants, asking when Arnold is going to speak out on his opposition to Prop 8. Here is their contact information:

      Julie Soderlund
      Phone: 916-551-1383
      Email: [email protected]

      Adam Mendelsohn
      Phone: 916-444-1380
      Email: [email protected]

      Adam, for example, is the one who announced that Arnold is headed to Ohio on Halloween to attempt to stop McCain from hemorrhaging support there.

      Call and email these two and respectfully request that Arnold take a visible public stand against discrimination.

      Also, here are two interesting websites:

      Republicans Against 8


      I found the Ward Connerly bio and quote especially profound.

      Mormons for Marriage


      LDS members who oppose their church's stand on Prop 8.

    1. mademark on Oct 23, 2008 1:02:07 PM:

      I live in New York (CA is my second home) and I've donated three times. I'm not sure that blaming lgbt apathy if Prop 8 passes is the right way to go. It’s too much like blaming the victim instead of religious bigotry and homophobia, which are the culprits.

      I don't think losing will set us back "10 to 30 years" - reminder that marriage equality exists in Massachusetts, soon Connecticut, and in New York by default (our state recognizes legal marriages from elsewhere, and soon we will have marriage equality ourselves when we knock off a few more Republicans in the state senate).

      Mostly it saddens me to see Californians prepared to stain their constitution and their state with this. I’ve lived there and visit often, and if it joins the ranks of Missouri, Indiana and Mississippi I will never be able to see California the same way again.

      A couple things I have noticed:

      Liberal bloggers care nothing about this – the mighty NetRoots has bigger fish to fry, Daily Kos, even AMERICABlog with the gay John Aravosis, are far more concerned with Sarah Palin's $150K wardrobe and getting Obama elected than with preserving our right to marry.

      Where are the gay mega-rich? If our own many wealthy LGBTers don’t care enough to bankroll what we need to win, then why should gay people barely making ends meet foot the massive bill?

      The gay/Democratic left have placed all their bets and invested all their energy on getting Obama into office. What he will do for us once in office, especially in light of a possible Prop 8 passage, will be next to nothing. As has always been the case, Dems want our money, they pledge some weak allegiance, and when we need them, as we do now, they look away.

      If Prop 8 passes it will be because discriminating against homosexuals is still socially acceptable. Can you imagine voting on a constitutional amendment to deny marriage to interracial or inter-religious couples? The outrage, the shock, the recoil! But even today, propositions like this are basically presented from the pro-gay side as, ‘let’s be tolerant, let’s go ahead and let the faries marry, no harm done.’ Our case is not seen by anyone outside us as something to fight passionately for. And so, as long as we live in a world where our rights are voted upon (unlike more civilized countries) we are at the whim of those who find us distasteful but tolerable, or disgusting and unacceptable. I wouldn't blame gay people for the harm done to us.

    1. Allan on Oct 23, 2008 1:32:21 PM:

      You are DEAD WRONG, mademark, specifically on Daily Kos. Kos has used his front-page forum repeatedly to urge donations and work for No on 8, and has included No on 8 in his Orange to Blue campaign, resulting in 3,273 contributions totalling $186,862 as of this morning. Additionally, Kossacks post several diaries a day with updates on the No on 8 campaign, for example this one, currently highlighted on the front page as one of the TOP TEN most recommended diaries:


      Please retract your libel against the good people of the Daily Kos.

    1. mademark on Oct 23, 2008 7:37:39 PM:

      Okay, I retract. I can only check Daily Kos so many times during the work day before my boss gets suspicious. My error may be in comparing the others to Andrew Sullivan, who I read compulsively and who keeps me most informed about Prop 8, the Mormon bankrolling of it, and my subsequent distress.

      Thank you Kossites. But I would reiterate that it will be too easy if Prop 8 passes to blame gay people (as Sullivan suggests in his most recent). It’s kind of like blaming the rape victim for not fighting back hard enough. While it is disgraceful that only 3 percent of California LGBTers have donated to No on 8 (I’m curious how many of us out-of-staters have sent what we can), it is up to social scientists to analyze why that is. Single gay people who think marriage is something they’ll never enjoy? Low-income/LGBTers of color who think marriage is for affluent white homos? ‘Queers’ who think marriage is bourgeois? Or possibly the continued sense of gay people that full equality is an illusion, a dream in which what we want cannot be achieved, so why bother? And, certainly, a fatal self-interest that thinks your right to marry is not my concern.

      Marriage equality for homosexuals, while increasingly defended by straight people, continues to be seen by significant numbers as a privilege, not a fundamental civil right, a core justice. Thus they ponder it, believing they have a right to vote on my right, as if they are deciding whether or not to allow us to sunbathe naked on a beach.

      The very fact that news stories continue to lead with things like, ’42 percent of Americans believe gay people have the right to marry,’ is offensive on a level they cannot imagine.

      Where we have failed is in presenting our rights as citizens’ rights, as human rights, as civil rights. Until we pass a tipping point and Americans would no more vote to deny same-sex marriage than they would vote to deny interracial marriage we are at a disadvantage, and, given the absence of a Supreme Court decision finding a right to marry somewhere in there where it found a right to abortion, I don’t expect to live long enough to see the day. Nontheless, I donated, and I absentee-voted for Obama, just for the record.

    1. Allan on Oct 24, 2008 10:55:41 AM:

      Sweet Fucking Jesus!

      Chris, this morning the Gay Ad Network is featuring an ad from...


      The Yes on 8 extortionists!

      Stop them now!!

    1. Allan on Oct 24, 2008 11:48:13 AM:

      OK, I see Bil Browning has a post, titled "Google: Profits before People" discussing the intrusive ProtectMarriage.com ads and how they are infiltrating LGBT websites. Interesting reading. Chris, please contact Bil if you need guidance on how to stop these ads from appearing here.


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