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    January 07, 2009

    At last, some new thinking

    Posted by: Andoni

    Chris and I have been hitting the gay leadership hard, asserting that there is lot more opportunity for gay rights in this country at this time than they are willing to put on the table. To push only for "Hate Crimes" and ENDA (the Employment Non-Discrimination Act) is aiming way too low and not meeting the needs or expectations of our community.

    "Hate Crimes" and ENDA would have been fine in 1994, but this is 2009. I am so discouraged that there is no bold new thinking anywhere in the leadership. Neither Barney Frank, nor Tammy Baldwin nor HRC are able to think outside the traditional rut they have been digging in for 14 years. I believe they are blinded by being too invested in these two pieces of legislation. There's a much bigger picture out there that they do not see.

    Kudos to David Mixner for his call today for some new thinking. He recognizes our problem and the fact that it is 2009 and not 1994 and makes some sound proposals that fit with our current needs. I agree with the scope of his thinking. And if it's a choice between David's proposal and the old castrated plan our current leadership has been working on for the past 14 years, I support David's aprroach any day of the week.



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    1. gkruz on Jan 7, 2009 11:49:57 PM:

      "Hate Crimes" and ENDA would have been fine in 1994, but this is 2009."
      Right, because there aren't any hate crimes, including murders of LGBT people committed anymore, and no LGBT folks are discriminated against in the workplace anymore, especially transpeople, and none of that matters anyway because affluent, upper-middle class gay professionals are impatient to import their boyfriends into the country, marry them and settle down into bourgeois respectability ASAP.

    1. Andoni on Jan 8, 2009 3:17:00 AM:

      To gkruz: both points you are trying to make in your comment are incorrect.

      In your sarcastic sentence that there are no more murders of LGBT people or discrimination of gay people in the workplace, you are implying that I said Hate Crimes and ENDA are not necessary any more and should be scrapped. I said no such thing. All I said was that in 2009, ENDA and Hate Crimes are not enough. Of course we need ENDA and Hate Crimes, but we need more than just them. We need to pass a lot more gay rights legislation than ENDA and Hate Crimes in 2009-10. Please go back and re-read.

      You are also incorrect in the second part of your comment where you seem to think that only affluent, upper-middle class gay professionals are in bi-national relationships. Wrong-- in fact very wrong. There are online support groups and in-person support groups for bi-national same sex couples and I can tell you that they are just as diverse economically and vocationally as the rest of our community. Your stereotype is wrong.

      It really doesn't take a whole lot of money to make one trip to a foreign country....and if you meet the love of your life, well, that's it, you're in love and stuck. Some of these couples scrimp and save just so they can see each other one time a year.

      I don't know what you have against upper middle class people or professionals, but that appears to be intertwined with your unsympathetic view of same sex immigration. The irony here is that if you oppose same sex immigration because you think you are hurting the affluent professionals, you are very wrong again. It is the average and below average income gays who get hurt the most by the unfair immigration laws and have to eventually break up or live in exile. The affluent gays have enough options to keep the relationship going longer. It is difficult, but they have it easier than the gays with less means.

      So in your incorrect assumption that same sex immigration will benefit mainly more affluent gays (and you seem to oppose it mainly for that reason--it is the only reason you linked to your thoughts), you are not hurting the rich gays as you think, but really hurting the poorer gays who have fewer resources and less options.

      So the second part of your comment is off the mark too.

    1. InExile on Jan 8, 2009 3:49:41 PM:

      I agree with you 100% on the fact our community has to set its sights much, much higher. If we aim for the sky and the sky is ENDA and hate crimes, that is all we will get and nothing more! Why should we not as a community have the same rights as heterosexual couples? This is the question and the time has come for us as a community to demand our equal rights! I wrote HRC a letter to this effect last week because you know all too well that if we ask for a little, a little is all we will get. I want full equality!

      Regarding the comment that only affluent gay people are in binational relationships, this poster is very wrong. I am not affluent and would love to take a trip back to the USA to visit my aging mother, but right now I cannot afford it! Sure I live in a foreign country and my partner works front desk at a hotel. I cannot get a job here because I do not speak the language. And I did not import my partner of 14 years, he was in the US on a work visa and the company he worked for closed its doors three years ago which ended his work visa. Moving to a foreign country was not my goal in life or something I wanted, but with the choice of separation or moving to another country, I didn't feel like I had a choice!

      As far as bashing gay professionals, be happy we have them! They are the people on the news and they are the people fighting for our rights in court, and they are the people that put together legislation like ENDA, Mathew Sheppard Act, and they are the people that fight propositions like proposition 8, and they are the people that donate their time and money for our cause! They are our voice in a world hostile to our being.

      We must aim our sights at 100% and hope we achieve 80%. Then fight for the other 20% until we reach equality! The time is now!

      Saint Martin, France

    1. Chuck on Jan 9, 2009 6:45:51 PM:

      WTF? Are commentators like gkruz shills that the religious right sends to gay sites like Citizen Crain, Queerty and Gay.com for the purpose of stirring up controversy or what? Towlroad, interestingly, gets very little of this negative BS. I mean, I find it difficult to believe that we could have so many fucked up queers in our midst with idiotic viewpoints like gkruz just posted? There seems to such an abundance of them?

      Bless your heart for responding to him InExile, but I think your words are falling on ignorant, deaf ears. People like this are damaged goods and are beyond reclamation, let alone salvation.

      Until they walk a mile in another man's moccasins, they will never know. Don't let this idiot's stupit comments get you down. He's a troll and there is no use feeding the likes of him.

      With a little bit of luck, maybe Chris, like Japhy at Queerty, will set up some rules and regulations for commentators or a TOS to bar trouble-makers and lowlifes from this site.

      We'all taken enough shit out there in the real world during the course of our lives. There is no reason why we should have to keep taking it right here on our very own websites.

      After all, we come her to support each other, not to have have to defend ourselves from str8 religious homophobes and self-hating queers.

      Viva la France! ;-)

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